Death is not an illusion; it is real. Humans definitely do not have an immortal soul or an immortal conscious spirit, and neither does any other species of mammal - not even bonobos.
Disillusioned JW
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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Corrections: In my prior post where I said "... (more than required to graduate from college)" I meant to say "... (more than required to graduate from high school)". In the same post where I said "As results spaceships can reach ..." I meant to say "As a result spaceships can reach ...".
I had some typos in the following. "After you read this entire post of mine (and after reading the posts by TD on the same topic) If you persist to claim the landing of humans upon the moon is a fraud and that rovers never landed on Mars, then I will conclude that you are either joking (or metaphorically trying to "push my buttons" and rile up people) or that you are currently incapable in drawing the correct conclusion on this topic and of thinking reasonably about it. If I conclude such about you on this topic, then I will likely no longer discuss this topic with since it would be a big waste of my time." I instead meant to say the following.
"After you read this entire post of mine (and after reading the posts by TD on the same topic), if you persist to claim the landing of humans upon the moon is a fraud and that rovers never landed on Mars, then I will conclude that you are either joking, or metaphorically trying to "push people's buttons" (namely to rile up people), or that you are currently incapable of drawing the correct conclusion on this topic and of thinking reasonably about it. If I conclude such about you on this topic, then I will likely no longer discuss this topic with you since it would be a big waste of my time. Are you a Flat Earther?"
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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Indoubtbigtime, by final steps I mean the last steps he made on the lander (made on the lower part of the ladder [or staircases]). Please note that my earlier post specifically said "... Armstrong taking the final steps off the lander ...". I guess that by "off the lander" you thought I meant "while not on the lander, but rather walking on the lunar soil". But I meant "stepping down the lander [stepping down its ladder/staircase] and stepping off from the lander onto the ground". Perhaps in the video footage he only made one step on the lander (the image is very blurry and thus hard to see), namely the one in which he stepped off the lander onto the moon. Regarding the camera angle it might have been from within the lander and pointing to a window from a good vantage points of the ladder {or staircase]. There might also have been a camera on the outside of the lander. TD's two most recent posts (prior to this post of mine) refer to a camera which "... lowered from descent stage of the module after landing ...."
In more than one of your posts you emphasize how far away the moon and Mars are from Earth, and you say that as a result humans could not have gone to the moon in 1969 through the early 1970s and that no rovers made it to Mars.
Perhaps you think that in order for a spaceship (and its rocket) to reach a destination very far away its rocket must be on continuously throughout the journey. But that is not the case. For proof please consider the following.
Most likely while you were in high school you were required to take one or more courses in physics. In high school physics classes one of the main things taught are Newton's Laws of Motion. As a reminder of Newton's first law of motion note that https://www.britannica.com/science/Newtons-laws-of-motion says the following. "Newton’s first law states that if a body is at rest or moving at a constant speed in a straight line, it will remain at rest or keep moving in a straight line at constant speed unless it is acted upon by a force. In fact, in classical Newtonian mechanics, there is no important distinction between rest and uniform motion in a straight line; they may be regarded as the same state of motion seen by different observers, one moving at the same velocity as the particle and the other moving at constant velocity with respect to the particle. This postulate is known as the law of inertia."
It is also important to know about escape velocity. To learn move about escape velocity (another concept taught in required high school physics classes) please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity . It says the following.
'In celestial mechanics, escape velocity or escape speed is the minimum speed needed for a free, non-propelled object to escape from the gravitational influence of a primary body, thus reaching an infinite distance from it. It is typically stated as an ideal speed, ignoring atmospheric friction. ... the escape speed increases with the mass of the primary body and decreases with the distance from the primary body. The escape speed thus depends on how far the object has already traveled, and its calculation at a given distance takes into account that without new acceleration it will slow down as it travels—due to the massive body's gravity—but it will never quite slow to a stop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion says that Newton's first law of motion can be paraphrased as follows. "A body remains at rest, or in motion at a constant speed in a straight line, unless acted upon by a force."
The vast majority of outer space is a vacuum between the stars, planets, moons, asteroids, comets, and rocks, such as in our solar system. [In our solar system the dust concentration between the previous mentioned objects is extremely low.] As a result if spacecrafts, sent from Earth, after leaving Earth's atmosphere manage to avoid hitting those objects they will encounter almost no resistance to slow them down. Almost no friction will be acting upon them to slow it down. The gravity from the Earth can slow it down but it they left the planet at a velocity higher than the escape velocity that won't cause their velocity to drop all the way to zero. As results spaceships can reach the moon, Mars, Jupiter, and even the edge of our solar system.
In high school, physics was one of my most favorite subjects to study. For three years in high school I took half a year of it (more than required to graduate from college). In college I took a one year course of "Physics with Calculus" which was designed for those intending to become engineers. Do you remember much from your study of high school physics?
In 1977 NASA launched two space probes into space. The probes are called Voayager 1 and Voyager 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_program says the following about them.
'As of 2022, the Voyagers are still in operation past the outer boundary of the heliosphere in interstellar space. They collect and transmit useful data to Earth.
... As of 2022, Voyager 1 was moving with a velocity of 61,185 kilometers per hour (38,019 mph), or 17 km/s, relative to the Sun, and was 23,252,000,000 kilometers (1.4448×1010 mi) from the Sun[2] reaching a distance of 155.8 AU (23.3 billion km; 14.5 billion mi) from Earth as of February 10, 2022.[3] On 25 August 2012, data from Voyager 1 indicated that it had entered interstellar space.[4]
As of 2022, Voyager 2 was moving with a velocity of 55,335 kilometers per hour (34,384 mph), or 15 km/s, relative to the Sun, and was 19,350,000,000 kilometers (1.202×1010 mi) from the Sun[5] reaching a distance of 130.1 AU (19.5 billion km; 12.1 billion mi) from Earth as of February 10, 2022.[3] On 5 November 2019, data from Voyager 2 indicated that it also had entered interstellar space.[6] On 4 November 2019, scientists reported that, on 5 November 2018, the Voyager 2 probe had officially reached the interstellar medium (ISM), a region of outer space beyond the influence of the solar wind, as did Voyager 1 in 2012.[7][8] '
In a prior post you said the following to me. "Disalusioned please just think about the distance between Earth and Mars and take a moment to think are those pictures really from Mars or is it all an elaborate lie and they are actually from here on Earth?" My response is as follows. I thought about the distance and in the paragraphs I mentions to you my thoughts about. I am certain that all of the photos which NASA says are from Mars really are from Mars. I have never ever doubted those photos. I am 100% certain what NASA has done is not "an elaborate LIE". I am also 100% certain that the photos (the ones NASA claims were taken from the surface of Mars) were not taken "here on Earth". After you read this entire post of mine (and after reading the posts by TD on the same topic) If you persist to claim the landing of humans upon the moon is a fraud and that rovers never landed on Mars, then I will conclude that you are either joking (or metaphorically trying to "push my buttons" and rile up people) or that you are currently incapable in drawing the correct conclusion on this topic and of thinking reasonably about it. If I conclude such about you on this topic, then I will likely no longer discuss this topic with since it would be a big waste of my time.
In a post you asked for NASA had sent people to the moon (in 1969 through the early 1970s) then why haven't they yet returned to the moon. The answer is the following. When astronauts went to the moon they did not find any life there or even any water there. They didn't find much there to warrant continuing to go to the moon. NASA knew that in order to have a viable base on the moon the astronauts would need to be able to obtain water from the moon. They would also need to be able to grow food on the moon. Based on what they didn't find in 1969 through the 1970s and even into part of the 2000-2010 they concluded there was no point on returning to the moon. During Obama's presidency the president directed their goal to getting humans on Mars and to not bother with sending people back to the moon. Even Buzz Aldrin's book (the book I mentioned in an earlier post) from 2013 said that NASA should not return to the moon (but the book does say that Aldrin stepped onto the moon) and instead focus on going to Mars.
But eventually with orbiting observatories NASA discovered there is water on the moon, enough to sustain a viable base on the moon and to produce rocket fuel for astronauts to journey out beyond the moon. NASA discovered that the south pole of the moon has much frozen water in craters. They also discovered that the soil at the south pole has substances which can be used to makes solar electric power panels on the moon. With such solar panels a moon base can sustainably produce power operations and split water in hydrogen and oxygen to make rocket fuel. The oxygen produced from the splitting of the water can be used for the astronauts to breathe. Recently a science lab managed to grow plants (on Earth) in a sample of the soil (in the experiment seeds were planted into the soil) which was returned from the moon decades ago. As a result, NASA now knows that astronauts can grow food at the south pole of the moon. NASA also discovered that water cover much of the sunlit surface of the moon, and that the moon thus far more water than what they previously thought - enough which can be distilled for drinking! The space agencies of China and of India have also discovered water on the moon! Some of the lunar water was made by hydrogen ions (sent from the Sun as solar wind) slamming into the moon's surface and reacting chemically with the lunar soil. There are many news sources for this. Some of them are the following.
- https://www.sciencealert.com/water-from-the-sun-has-been-found-on-the-moon [It says in part the following. "The Moon looks like a pretty dry dustball, but recent studies have found that there's a lot more water up there than anyone ever suspected. Obviously it's not floating around in lakes and lagoons; it's bound up in the lunar regolith, possibly lurking as ice in permanently shadowed craters, and sequestered in globules of volcanic glass."]
- https://www.nasa.gov/feature/ames/ice-confirmed-at-the-moon-s-poles/
- http://www.nasa.gov/feature/biological-physical/scientists-grow-plants-in-soil-from-the-moon
In light of various discoveries, Trump during his presidency directed NASA to return to the moon, to create a base on the moon, and to have NASA use future experience on the future moon base to learn to how to enable future astronauts survive a trip to Mars, to survive on Mars, and to survive a trip from Mars back to Earth.
One day ago NASA announced that they will test a nuclear thermal rocket which could enable astronauts in a future mission to travel from Earth to Mars in only 45 days, instead of months! Take would make the trip much safer since it would reduce the exposure radiation and reduce the amount of food and water needed for the trip! See https://www.livescience.com/nasa-nuclear-powered-rocket . It says in part the following.
'NASA’s current rocket systems (including the Space Launch System which last year sent the Artemis 1 rocket on a historic round-trip to the moon) are based on the century-old, traditional method of chemical propulsion — in which an oxidizer (which gives the reaction more oxygen to combust with) is mixed with flammable rocket fuel to create a flaming jet of thrust. The proposed nuclear system, on the other hand, will harness the chain reaction from tearing apart atoms to power a nuclear fission reactor that would be “three or more times more efficient” and could reduce Mars flight times to a fraction of the current seven months, according to the agency.'
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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The video at cbs news coverage of 1969 moon mission - Google Search [https://www.google.com/search?q=cbs+news+coverage+of+1969+moon+mission&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjq0uu92Ob8AhUCBzQIHZPwCbEQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1233&bih=913&dpr=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:aa525629,vid:eoy8IWjwb1k ] has video footage from CBS. In it there are sections which contain animations and simulations - and in multiple places the video has the word "ANIMATION" or "SIMULATION", thus the broadcast was not being deceptive abut such. Even without the words "ANIMATION" and "SIMULATION" one can often tell it is an animation or simulation, such as when the simulated lander is shown from outside the simulated lander (and from a distance) to be landing on the moon. In at least one place (after Armstrong said "The Eagle has landed") in the video even shows the text of "CBS NEWS SIMULATION" (at about the 6:42 time mark). That indicates that CBS was being honest in the use of the animations and simulations.
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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Despite whether or not Aldrin said what was quoted in the post made by TD, there was actual NASA footage (if not of the landing taking place) there was of an astronaut Armstrong taking the final steps off the lander. For proof see this video at Apollo 11 Moonwalk 20 July 1969 - restored footage - YouTube
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJbtYs0oZfQ ] . Perhaps Aldrins memory of regarding whether or not this was television broadcast of that was faulty. In it you can see the astronaut taking his final steps off the lander. You can also see two astronauts moving around on the moon. An introduction to the video explains why the image quality is so poor.
See also Moon landing footage: Watch the historic Apollo 11 mission moments | CNN [https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/07/18/apollo-11-moon-landing-scn-orig.cnn ] . It shows some footage of the spaceship approaching the moon (it looks like was recorded from within the spaceship, but maybe the camera was attached to the outside of the spaceship). Perhaps that video footage was not included in the live broadcast, but instead shown later.
Update: Thanks TD for your later post (including your clarification), namely the post in which you wrote "How we saw Aldrin's first steps ....". The article you linked to says something which gives the explanation to what had been puzzling me for some time (about why the images looked ghostly when action was taking place). It says the following. "The distance the signal needed to travel, the conversions and retransmissions required to reach televisions in homes, meant a reduction in the quality of the picture, resulting in reduced resolution and a mismatch in the signal layers. That is why sometimes the astronauts appear more like translucent ghosts than people."
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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it is very easier to disprove the clams by Indoubtbigtime against the 1969 moon landing being real. That includes the comments about "animations" since the animations are not of what Indoubtbigtime implies they were. I already real about animations weeks ago. See the following Apollo 11 moon landing on TV: Blurry but inspiring images viewed by millions – Orlando Sentinel . It says in part the following.
'Cronkite let out a “whew,” took off his glasses and rubbed his hands in delight, reflecting the global jubilation at the feat. Astronaut Wally Schirra, seated next to Cronkite, wiped away a tear. But they were reacting to Apollo 11 audio while CBS showed a simulation of the lunar module on the moon.
TV coverage of the first moon landing in 1969 relied heavily on fabricated images. “People saw the networks re-creating on a sound stage what was going on,” said Robert Stone, director-writer of PBS’ “Chasing the Moon.” “They had actors dressed up in spacesuits. They had animation. It wasn’t until they landed and the video camera was pulled out that we saw anything. Before that, it was a radio show with enactments.”
When Neil Armstrong stepped on the lunar surface, television relayed primitive visuals. “Look at those pictures. Wow. It’s a little shadowy,” Cronkite said.
“They were very crude, blurry, fuzzy, black-and-white images, very low tech,” Stone said.
What I say while a very young child were the blurry black and white image of the the astronauts stepping out of the lander onto the moon and walking upon the moon. That agrees with the above quote.
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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See Fact Check: No, Buzz Aldrin did not say the moon landing was a hoax (usatoday.com) . It says in part the following.
'But the claim is false.
A review of Aldrin's full comments reveals he was saying that there was no "scariest moment" during the mission, not that the moon landing "didn't happen." The full clip shows him talking extensively about the details of the mission. ...
The clip featured in the Instagram post was taken from a Q&A Aldrin did at the Oxford Union in March 2015.
The Union describes itself as "the world's foremost debating society," but there's no debating whether the moon landing happened. NASA, museums, newspapers and libraries house a trove of information about the mission. This includes an array of documents, photos, videos and rock samples. ...
The full video of the event, which can be found on YouTube, shows that while Aldrin initially said "it didn't happen" in response to the question about the "scariest moment," he was not referring to the mission itself. Upon further prompting, he recounts how at one point while on the moon he discovered a broken circuit breaker on the floor of the lunar module. The Instagram video cuts off these remarks. '
See also Fact Check-Buzz Aldrin interview about moon landing is not proof that it was faked | Reuters .
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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The idea that Buzz Aldrin never went into space and never stepped foot onto the moon is utter nonsense. The idea that NASA requires all of its astronauts to be Freemason and to have a four year Bachelor Degree in scuba diving it totally crazy; it is ludicrous.
I own a book authored by Buzz Aldrin called Mission To Mars: My Vision for Space Exploration. It is copyright 2013.
NASA does require astronauts to go underwater while in space suits but that is to train them for for the micro-gravity environment of space, not as a hoax. When we see footage of the astronauts in space (such as working on the space station), we don't see air bubbles disturbing water. Right? But if they were underwater instead then their would be air bubble visibly disturbing the water as a result of exhaling. On page 15 of Aldrin's book with a photo with the caption of "The first astronaut to do so, Buzz trains underwater." That photo shows air bubbles disturbing the water. Page 16 has a photo with the caption of "Buzz Aldrin on Gemeni 12 space walk, November 1966". That photo shows Buzz in space and it does not show air bubbles disturbing water. Buzz really was in space and on the moon. His book has a photo of his footprint (shoe print) on the moon. He says he really was on the moon, instead of saying the moon mission was a hoax.
I plan to post more about later when I have much more free time.
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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Regarding the Covid-19 mRNA based vaccines, though I have taken multiple shots of them I don't have 100% trust in them, and thus I have decided (at least for now) to avoid getting anymore of those vaccines. I also came to distrust some of the things Dr. Fauchi says about Covid-19 and the Covid-19 vaccines. I thus no longer bother to listen to him, since to me he is no longer very credible in regards to those subjects.
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Correction of a prior post: My college astronomy textbook does not have a photo a rover on Mars, but it does have photos taken from a rover and Mars (and the book specifically says the photos are from a rover on Mars). Maybe the pictures I saw of a rover on Mars might not have been from one of my college textbooks, but instead from some other science book I have. I don't remember which specific science book or books in which I saw the picture(s) of a rover(s) on Mars.
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I don't plan to post anymore tonight, since it is well past my bedtime and I will be getting up early tomorrow to get ready to go to work. Goodnight.
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by Indoubtbigtime ini wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
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Disillusioned JW
How about that science which seeks the truth and also puts to beneficial use the truths learned?